NHL 2K8 charges $5 to unlock feature already on game

Originally Posted by Juno

Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey and Rage say hi.

sure, if next-gen means tons of FMV to you, then Bluray helps. I actually prefer games you play more than you watch.

[Juno]

Originally Posted by GameDevDude

sure, if next-gen means tons of FMV to you, then Bluray helps. I actually prefer games you play more than you watch.

Rage is being made by id Software... Since when do they use lots of FMV?

Originally Posted by Juno

Rage is being made by id Software... Since when do they use lots of FMV?

I haven't been following Rage at all... or if they've made mention they require multiple DVD's. Or why they'd require them (if they have said the need them).

If you are basing the need for multiple DVD's based on any memory sizes per level they are talking about then, don't do that! typically, a game developer will use the uncompressed numbers for talking about how much data they use per level (Killzone2, anyone?) rather than compressed numbers. Partly for "marketing" reasons, but also partly due to the fact that compression ratios vary from texture to texture.

I was mostly just responding to the 1st 2 games on that list. (the mistwalker games)

Oh, another thing about Killzone2, and Sony's marketing department. Bogus lines like "Killzone1 levels had same number polys as a face in Killzone2", while true, are just marketing hype. What type of face model is being discussed? The face model seen when an enemy is 100 ft away from you? no, because games LOD models. They are, I am 100% sure of this, talking about one of 2 things:

a) the face used in pre-rendered cut scenes OR
b) the face used to create the normal maps which are applied to the actual IN-GAME face model

they are not talking about the in-game assets which the player will actually see rendered at 30fps in 720p. That is just bogus, and no developer would waste resources in that manor, even if they are a really bad developer (note: I'm not saying the KZ2 devs are bad)

I don't think the KZ2 were lying about the face ploygons. They were just bending the truth a little. Most likely, as you said, the original face model was super high poly and then was converted to a lower polygon model with the origional model adapted into a bump map.

But to say that they use 100,000+ polygon faces in-game in realtime is rediculous and absolutly a lie all in itself. Lets just say you have 10 NPCs around you. That would make the PS3 commit suicide when rendered in a "2gb" level with textures, physics and AI. That could be possible with next-gen but not with the current generation of hardware.

Originally Posted by mhadf

Your monthly fees rant is just plain wrong. Have you ever tried writing or running an online game? Getting one coded and in an acceptable state takes time and money even in beta. Like, perhaps, all games? When you get to allowing 1000's and potentially millions of players on those servers you need to make sure that the servers can cope..... and that takes lots of money, hours and resources. Monthly fees are high at £9 per month, but it costs probably £5 per person to make sure that all servers are running all the time. You really think it costs squaresoft 5 pound per month, -per player- just to run an online game? Or is that fee actually mostly profit?

Clearly if there's something you can sell, there's going to be someone selling it, but charging the player for server costs (and moreso, unlockables) is ramming it down your throat.

I find it hard to believe there's no workaround to charging players a monthly fee for ANY online game, inc. warcraft.

Oh, but the players can't serve their own games? That would be craaaazy you say. Why does this only apply to mmo's? Why can I click on counterstrike and see however many hundred people playing without paying someone for it?

I don't know much about the net really, just seems fishy to me. I wouldn't dream of paying a monthly fee for a game unless it was full immersion virtual reality.

(Just for perspective, I can play RedLightCenter for free, now, but if I want to unlock the hrdcore prn, I have to pay, monthly. So why the fee? Because they need to upkeep their servers, or because they know people will pay to see nekkid polygons?)

[SAMaine]

Originally Posted by soulassassin

Clearly if there's something you can sell, there's going to be someone selling it, but charging the player for server costs (and moreso, unlockables) is ramming it down your throat.

I find it hard to believe there's no workaround to charging players a monthly fee for ANY online game, inc. warcraft.

Oh, but the players can't serve their own games? That would be craaaazy you say. Why does this only apply to mmo's? Why can I click on counterstrike and see however many hundred people playing without paying someone for it?

I don't know much about the net really, just seems fishy to me. I wouldn't dream of paying a monthly fee for a game unless it was full immersion virtual reality.

(Just for perspective, I can play RedLightCenter for free, now, but if I want to unlock the hrdcore prn, I have to pay, monthly. So why the fee? Because they need to upkeep their servers, or because they know people will pay to see nekkid polygons?)

There is a workaround... The Koreans use microtransactions for their free charge MMOs, so its either a monthly fee or microtransactions for console games.

Pay to play is gay.

I rest my case.

Originally Posted by soulassassin

Pay to play is gay.

I rest my case.

You must be gay then. Unless you've gotten all your videogame related items (consoles, games, controllers, etc.) all for free?

Originally Posted by soulassassin

Pay to play is gay.

I rest my case.

Wow, way to make yourself look like a retard. Even if you pirate your games, you still have to pay for that internet connection to get them.

[Dutch guy]

I though the same was with Wolfenstein on the orginal xbox were you had to pay for maps that were already on the disc.