Nintendo hates risk?

[InsightGoalie]

Originally Posted by webshark

insight goalie's post in this thread are basically a compilation of "im a better gamer than you, my vote counts for more" elitist bullshit. EVERYONE on this board is a hardcore gamer, if we werent, we wouldnt be debating games on a fukking internet forum. the wii ___ titles ARE games, they are not as technically advances and not as standard as "hardcore games" but they are, in fact, GAMES. saying that they arent and then putting yourself on a pedestal about how you are a superior gamer because you have X platform instead of Y is childish and immature. get over yourself.

*note* i dont even like the wii ___ games, all i have and will ever have is wii sports which wasnt by choice. but saying they are not games is both stupid and elitist.

I was talking less about me personally and more in generalities. I'm saying ask the typical 360/PS3 owner (I'm pretty sure they are the ones with the stereotype of being "hardcore," thats why I use them as the example) if the Wii ____ series are games they're not going to think so. Games need more depth etc... Maybe what I mean to say is that they're not "hardcore" games, to me "hardcore" just means "meets modern standards." I'm not trying to be elitist at all, if you're taking it that way take a step back and look at things without getting defensive. Are the Wii ____ series of games really what you have come to expect as games? I know I don't and I'm betting most "hardcore" people don't. They see two tech demo's and a entertaining way to get people to work out to attract more customers.

[webshark]

Originally Posted by boffo

You're just forgetting that there really is very little anymore that can't be compared to something before it. Look at movies and books where it's commonly stated that there are only what 5 or 6 different story types and all of them are based around them. With video games I'm sure you could name just about any game in the last 5-10 years and come up with another game that it can be compared to.

pikmin, compare that to something

Originally Posted by InsightGoalie

I was talking less about me personally and more in generalities. I'm saying ask the typical 360/PS3 owner (I'm pretty sure they are the ones with the stereotype of being "hardcore," thats why I use them as the example) if the Wii ____ series are games they're not going to think so. Games need more depth etc... Maybe what I mean to say is that they're not "hardcore" games, to me "hardcore" just means "meets modern standards." I'm not trying to be elitist at all, if you're taking it that way take a step back and look at things without getting defensive. Are the Wii ____ series of games really what you have come to expect as games? I know I don't and I'm betting most "hardcore" people don't. They see two tech demo's and a entertaining way to get people to work out to attract more customers.

ok, i admit, and i think i already have admitted in this thread that the wii titles are not what i look for in games, but as my thread i just made is quickly showing, they are in fact games. hell wii play has an advanced version of pong in it (the FIRST big videogame EVER). just because its 40 years later, doesnt mean that that game is no longer a game, and its VERY presumptious to disqualify it from that.

[boffo]

Originally Posted by webshark

pikmin, compare that to something

I said most games. I also didn't say that I could compare it, I said you could compare it. Seeing that I've never played Pikmin nor have any idea what it's about, I personally would compare it to Pacman because the names are very similar.

[webshark]

lol, well, what i was getting at was that pikmin was pretty much unlike anything done before. it came out in 02 btw...

[Gnu]

Risk rules. How could anybody hate Risk?

[boffo]

Originally Posted by webshark

lol, well, what i was getting at was that pikmin was pretty much unlike anything done before. it came out in 02 btw...

That's fine. I realize that every now and then there is a game that really starts a genre, but they're becoming less and less common with each passing generation.

[InsightGoalie]

Pikmin was a great game. That was very fun and original. That is exactly what we should expect from Nintendo as a new IP.

[Rainbow]

Originally Posted by boffo

That's fine. I realize that every now and then there is a game that really starts a genre, but they're becoming less and less common with each passing generation.

Isn't that understandable though? For years games have always included 3 main aspects: graphics, controlls (aka gameplay), and story. With consoles that basically remained the same in all aspects except for graphical improvement (asside for the 2D to 3D jump), I'd say it's pretty fair to say it's normal, after 30+ years of video game development, that there's a drough of possible new ideas.

[boffo]

Originally Posted by Rainbow

Isn't that understandable though? For years games have always included 3 main aspects: graphics, controlls (aka gameplay), and story. With consoles that basically remained the same in all aspects except for graphical improvement (asside for the 2D to 3D jump), I'd say it's pretty fair to say it's normal, after 30+ years of video game development, that there's a drough of possible new ideas.

That's what I was saying a few posts ago when I compared it to movies or books and their 5 or 6 basic plot lines. In any form of media there is less and less room for totally original material and that's a fact that even technology hasn't been able to change in video games, movies, or even music.

[Argon]

Originally Posted by boffo

That's fine. I realize that every now and then there is a game that really starts a genre, but they're becoming less and less common with each passing generation.

If you're trying to argue that entirely original gameplay mechanics are becoming more and more rare, your own analogy of movies is poignant. Better yet, you might note that there are no new plots for books. Just more complicated, more thrilling, or less expected. Given time, every possible game mechanic involving only a standard controller (two analog sticks, lots of buttons, trigger buttons) can and will be exhausted. If this is your qualm with gaming as it stands, I'm willing to bet the Wii will give you more options than the Dualshock 3, or the 360 controller. Nintendo has and will continue to open new doors for gaming.

Though, I should learn to stop trying to argue with you; I have no idea where you're going with your point, and if it's a standalone point I agree that it's true but I also think it's not too surprising.