Quick question for Wii fans...

[Aeron]

Originally Posted by Icemage

The fact that they publish games for several times more studios than they own?

Incidentally, I think Ubisoft also publishes for more studios than the big 3 combined as well.

There's a number of 2nd party studios as well, but hard to quantify them as I can't find a trustworthy list of them. Bizarre Creations was 2nd party for Microsoft, for instance, and Naughty Dog is 2nd party for Sony. I can't think of any Nintendo second party studios at this time, come to think of it.

Camelot, Game Freak, HAL Laboratory.

[InsightGoalie]

Originally Posted by Icemage

The fact that they publish games for several times more studios than they own?

Ok, it just didn't make sense with the numbers you posted.

[Leonidas]

Game freak (Pokemon company) is called Genius Sorority now.

Furthermore, Nintendo has the best connections with the major third parties.

Mario x Dragon Quest; Itadaki/Mario Hoops by Square?
Zelda/DK games from Capcom?
Nintendo/Namco/Sega triforce arcade board?
Konami doing the Mario Dance Dance game?
Miyamoto playtesting Grasshoppers new game? [With NMH, Project S (With Kojima) and Fatal Frame being wii exclusive, along with 2 of the older ps2 games coming to ds, GH is fast becoming nintendo exclusive]

Blinx developer making Yoshi's Island 2 [Later renamed Yoshi's Island DS]?


You would never see any of those devs collaborating that closely with Sony or MS' 'internal developers'. Oh, except for artoon.

[PirateThom]

Originally Posted by Icemage

and Naughty Dog is 2nd party for Sony.

Naughty Dog is 1st party, they were bought over by Sony in 2001.

And Project S hasn't been stated as having a development platform yet, as far as I'm aware.

[Leonidas]

Totally and completely denying Project S being Wii exclusive without a shadow of a doubt, times infinity no backsies, eh?

Care to bet on it?


loel, no seriously though, it will be.

[Shpeshal Ed]

Originally Posted by ltzasz

Bioshock and Prime sold roughly the same amount. Bioshock should have destroyed Halo's numbers because it is infinitely better.

Yes you can say the wii owners buy crap, but look at the support for decent titles like Halo on the xbox. There are amazing titles on the 360 that don't get picked up because it's idiotic user base enjoys mediocre FPS. If you are going to call one group of people idiots for not realizing a brilliant game and buying trash, you shouldn't be coming from the exact same territory. It's hypocritical.

Come on man, Bioshock is a NEW IP. Look at God of War. Terrible sales for a such a masterpiece....INITIALLY. Once the GOTY awards came, and the sequel announced, the sales came also. Bioshock will receive the same belated reaction.

Metroid is as old as Nintendo itself, and Prime 3, as the title indicates was the 3rd iteration. It should have done better on a console with few AAA titles to choose from.

Originally Posted by webshark

i disagree, prime 1 held my interest for multiple 100% playthroughs without moving on

i couldnt even get through mp3 once without having to put it down and do other stuff for a few weeks. ive been having the same problem with alot of the ninty games lately. TP was the worst tho.

Same. CBF playing Metroid anymore. Prime 1 was easily the best. You WANTED to finish it. There wasn't as much backtracking as there is in 2 and 3.

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Bungie was all M$ ever had.

I'm -sure microsoft and sony have dev studios. For obvious reasons.[/infer, infer]

Rare, Turn 10, Biosware (until recently), Mistwalker. There's more. MS has only been in the game 6 years. How can you compare them to Nintendo who's been around for over 20?

What MS has accomplished with the Xbox in such a short space of time is nothing short of astonishing.

They took 2nd place from Nintendo in their FIRST TRY.
Established the BIGGEST FRANCHISE IN GAMING TODAY with their FIRST TRY.
Established an award winning and best console online infrastructure with their FIRST TRY

Let's compare apples with apples shall we? Let's see what MS has done/where they are in another 14 year (assuming they're still around.

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Game freak (Pokemon company) is called Genius Sorority now.

Furthermore, Nintendo has the best connections with the major third parties.

Mario x Dragon Quest; Itadaki/Mario Hoops by Square?
Zelda/DK games from Capcom?
Nintendo/Namco/Sega triforce arcade board?
Konami doing the Mario Dance Dance game?
Miyamoto playtesting Grasshoppers new game? [With NMH, Project S (With Kojima) and Fatal Frame being wii exclusive, along with 2 of the older ps2 games coming to ds, GH is fast becoming nintendo exclusive]

Blinx developer making Yoshi's Island 2 [Later renamed Yoshi's Island DS]?


You would never see any of those devs collaborating that closely with Sony or MS' 'internal developers'. Oh, except for artoon.

Again, apples with apples. Like before. But herés a couple anyway.

Tecmo putting a Spartan in DOA4
Ensemble making Halo Wars.

[ltzasz]

Originally Posted by Shpeshal Ed

Come on man, Bioshock is a NEW IP. Look at God of War. Terrible sales for a such a masterpiece....INITIALLY. Once the GOTY awards came, and the sequel announced, the sales came also. Bioshock will receive the same belated reaction.

Shouldn't Mario get the same reaction then if a game of the year helps push a game? Don't kid yourself, it will pick up numerous awards. I can see it being different since it is a more established franchise but I really don't buy the whole "New IP vs old IP" debate. Look at how well Halo did first try. It is all marketing when you get right down to it. Truly fantastic games aren't marketed because perhaps the companies believe it will sell to those who appreciate it without a huge campaign.

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by Shpeshal Ed

Rare

[tr1p1ea]

Rofl, thats golden Leonidas .

Originally Posted by ltzasz

Halo is the biggest casual market on the planet. Get over it.

Sorry, but thats a fucking dumbass thing to say. When its been outsold by loads of other franchises over its lifetime, Halo isnt the biggest 'anything' on the planet. See: Casual games like BrainAge for example.

[Shpeshal Ed]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

*stupid picture that makes me look cool*

Rare actually haven't made a BAD game aside from Grabbed by Ghoulies.

The irony is, had all the Xbox Rare games been on a Nintendo console, they'd be considered classics right now.