One more reason not to switch to Vista

[chedabob]

Originally Posted by E6600

if they weren't so damn greedy maybe some of us wouldn't of pirated things, though I disagree on the usage of the term piracy! we are not some thugs who kill people and steal their ships! I'm sharing my music and videos with my friends, I've already paid for it anyway, and it's not like they are starving!

If you don't agree with the EULA, don't accept it, don't install the software. If you buy a piece of software and agree to the EULA, don't come crying when the publisher chooses to enforce the EULA.

[E6600]

Originally Posted by chedabob

If you don't agree with the EULA, don't accept it, don't install the software. If you buy a piece of software and agree to the EULA, don't come crying when the publisher chooses to enforce the EULA.

I don't that why I'm running GNU/Linux

[chedabob]

Originally Posted by E6600

I don't that why I'm running GNU/Linux

Technically if you use the MP3 codec, you are breaking the law...

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by User Name?

Viruses would be detected

Illegal transfering of money would be detected

Crime Plans would be detected

oh shit! bad things are disappearing! This is outrageous!

If you think m$/corporate cartel invading your privacy without your knowledge is funny, think again.

[E6600]

Originally Posted by chedabob

Technically if you use the MP3 codec, you are breaking the law...

mp3 is crap, I use ogg

except on my iPod I wonder if my next media player will be an iPod, I love mine but if Apple refuse to support ogg, I guess I'll have no choice but buy a media player that support ogg or flac.

[Power666]

The two articles in the original post are a bit dated. Getting trusted computing implemented from top to bottom in both hardware and software has (thankfully) been to much of a nightmare that it currently does not exist in the worst case scenario for the consumer. That does not mean that parts of it exist in limited fashion Vista and various hardware devices. Here is a more recent one that describe various implementations inside of Vista.

All new graphics cards support HDCP in some fashion and newer computer monitors are supporting HDCP. HDCP on computer monitors is going to be a real issue when high definition DRM protected content gains in popularity on the PC. DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray drives obviously support their respective formats DRM and region encoding. I'm unsure if hard drives support trusted computing but I do know that manufacturers were planning on it at some point in time.

One of the issues with trusted computing is that it can be abused by the companies backing it. It is easy to pick on Sony for their root kit scandal on audio CD's but it is the prime example of DRM gone wrong. Trusting computing as envisioned would grant companies an easy avenue for such idiocy.

Trusted computing is also seen as an avenue for attack by the worst malware imaginable. Sony's own root kit was used to take over users computers by hackers once its knowledge leaked out into the wild. Considering that DRM has a tendency to be cracked, a trusted computing platform will likely be cracked for both legitimate and nefarious reasons.

Originally Posted by chedabob

If people didn't pirate things, Microsoft and the other big companies wouldn't have to resort to these kinds of techniques.

That actually is flat out incorrect. A large chunk of media revenue isn't in new content but rather old content being released on a new format. Movie studios were just giddy with the idea of people purchasing their VHS movie collection again on DVD for example. The catch now is that the quality of content has become digital with long lasting media so the incentive to repurchase content in the future has diminished. The media companies need a DRM whip to force consumers into the same upgrade cycle again.

MS has regretted allowing consumers to move a legitimate copy of Windows from one PC to another. Vista has tightened this clause in the user license considerably. Virtualization is another issue MS has made changes in Vista's license which has a fair and legitimate use. Yet a consumer cannot use their copy of Windows Vista Home on a new PC with virtualization under Linux according to the license.

In accordance with US law, it is not illegal to take the content you've purchased and move it to another format for your own personal use.

[User Name?]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

If you think m$/corporate cartel invading your privacy without your knowledge is funny, think again.

if im evil, that wouldnt be a joke would it?

please, its not like the government isnt doing it already

[Fyrus]

So we can still play MP3s in vista right?

[Power666]

Originally Posted by Fyrus

So we can still play MP3s in vista right?

Yes of course.

[E6600]

Originally Posted by Power666

The two articles in the original post are a bit dated. Getting trusted computing implemented from top to bottom in both hardware and software has (thankfully) been to much of a nightmare that it currently does not exist in the worst case scenario for the consumer. That does not mean that parts of it exist in limited fashion Vista and various hardware devices. Here is a more recent one that describe various implementations inside of Vista.

All new graphics cards support HDCP in some fashion and newer computer monitors are supporting HDCP. HDCP on computer monitors is going to be a real issue when high definition DRM protected content gains in popularity on the PC. DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray drives obviously support their respective formats DRM and region encoding. I'm unsure if hard drives support trusted computing but I do know that manufacturers were planning on it at some point in time.

One of the issues with trusted computing is that it can be abused by the companies backing it. It is easy to pick on Sony for their root kit scandal on audio CD's but it is the prime example of DRM gone wrong. Trusting computing as envisioned would grant companies an easy avenue for such idiocy.

Trusted computing is also seen as an avenue for attack by the worst malware imaginable. Sony's own root kit was used to take over users computers by hackers once its knowledge leaked out into the wild. Considering that DRM has a tendency to be cracked, a trusted computing platform will likely be cracked for both legitimate and nefarious reasons.



That actually is flat out incorrect. A large chunk of media revenue isn't in new content but rather old content being released on a new format. Movie studios were just giddy with the idea of people purchasing their VHS movie collection again on DVD for example. The catch now is that the quality of content has become digital with long lasting media so the incentive to repurchase content in the future has diminished. The media companies need a DRM whip to force consumers into the same upgrade cycle again.

MS has regretted allowing consumers to move a legitimate copy of Windows from one PC to another. Vista has tightened this clause in the user license considerably. Virtualization is another issue MS has made changes in Vista's license which has a fair and legitimate use. Yet a consumer cannot use their copy of Windows Vista Home on a new PC with virtualization under Linux according to the license.

In accordance with US law, it is not illegal to take the content you've purchased and move it to another format for your own personal use.

thanks for saving this thread
the points you added just strengthen my point against TC and DRM
* TC makes your computer more vulnerable
* TC restricts legal use like virtualization
* DRM is just another way for Big Media to rip us off
I'm glad Apple doesn't use TC and they sell DRM-free content via iTunes

now I need to take sometime off and read the article at the link you posted